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I demand fault-tolerance and absolute stability. I want my system to be totally reliable.
If 100% stability is impossible, then I want 99,999% stability.
I am tired that something goes wrong or crashes, bugs or spazz out and I sit there in front of the screen looking like a moron. All helpless and cannot do anything. Just sitting there in front of an either unresponsive system or just an all black screen and cannot do anything.
I hate it when I use Xorg, and either because I boot an old kernel which is not compatible with the current graphics device drivers the screen goes all black, or because some software application crash and the system goes all unresponsive.
And then I press Ctrl+Alt+Backspace and it does absolutely nothing.
I press Ctrl+Alt+F2 then try with F3, F4, F5, etc and it does absolutely nothing.
And I sit there like a fool. I don't tolerate this!
Does not matter if I have virus and spyware or a fork bomb. Does not matter if my system is in an infinite loop.
I don't care if little kids in Africa are starving, if a virus has wiped out humanity and I am the last person alive, if Russia fired hundreds of nuclear missiles, if there is world war 3, if a comet is in collision course with earth, if the dead starts raising and the undead zombies are taking over, or if hell freezes over.
When I press Ctrl+Alt+F2, I want my god damn virtual console no matter what.
dude u __R__ seriously
dude u __R__ seriously pissed off!! maybe the best thing i can suggest u is STOP USING COMPUTERS--u dont deserve it or maybe use windows if u think of linux as an unstable , unreliable thing.
ps.plz stop puking ur frustration here.
what the FM has to say about this
instead of ranting around in public forums and making yourself look bad you could try to calm down and read the man page for xorg.conf, especially the options
I have read the man page for
I have read the man page for xorg.conf, in fact I did it just a few days ago.
So I am very well aware of those options.
And Ctrl+Alt+Backspace and Ctrl+Alt+F2 /usually/ does work.
Its just that they don't /always/ work, and thats the problem.
I want them to ALWAYS work, no matter what, even when shit hits the fan and hell freezes over.
What distro did you
What distro did you install?
Maybe you will want to try Ubuntu/Kubuntu for the first time and then when you get more familiar with Linux, you can try OpenSuse and Fedora.
Of course, don't install Debian or Slackware if it is your first try.
Also, where did you install it? Installing in desktop will usually easier than in Laptop.
BTW, our lab has just bought new Dell Vostro 400. We are successfully installed RokcsClusters linux for Grid application and clustering despite the fact that the distro use old kernel (2.6.9) and the PC is recent enough. So don't blame Linux!
So, try to install newest distro you can find first if you are going to use recent enough machine.
BTW, Windoze is also not always work. As a matter a fact, Vista is really troublesome. So, if you want a *perfect* OS, then create it yourselves.
regards,
Aloysius
My setup
I installed Ubuntu on a desktop computer.
Intel Core 2 Duo @ 2.13 GHz
4gb RAM
7200rpm Samsung SpinPoint T166 - SATA2 disk with 16 mb cache
GeForce 8600
working on it
As of right now, X takes over all the graphics hardware. If X crashes, you're screwed. Kernel mode setting will fix part of this, and allowing the kernel to retain control of the alt-ctrl-Fx keys will fix the rest of it.
In general, though, you need to file bug reports. It sucks that X crashing takes your machine down, but waht sucks even more is that X is crashing at all. Help fix it.
Worked on
I am glad to hear that it is getting worked on.
When will it be fixed?
Yes it sucks that X crashes, but I can live with that, shit happens.
But I won't tolerate that just because X crashes my whole system is down, and I cant use it.
X.org is an extreme disappointment
Although we may blame ATI/Nvidia for not releasing specs, the hope was that as we moved away from the quite infrequent releases of XFree86 we would see nice things with the so-called "fork" to X.org. Instead, the latest X.org is highly unstable, and (quite typically) requires the following to even get it to run:
1) X -configure
2) Play with the MANY parameters in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for the particular driver (i.e "man radeon", "man nv", etc.) until you get "xinit" to "sort of" work.
3) Live with a goofy resolution like "1280x768" because that is the ONLY resolution the X.org driver will _currently_ run at, completely ignoring any "Mode" lines.
I can see you are actually tweaking several parameters in the generated /etc/X11/xorg.conf to produce a working system. Don't you consider "X -configure" broken if the xorg.conf it generates doesn't work? I'm not even considering "current distro" xorg.conf's since they are missing many lines (Debian, Fedora) to produce a working xorg.conf. Debian, for example, "holds back (apt-get)" any "recent" X.org package, apparently the xorg "maintainer" is not being paid. The Fedora 8 xorg.conf also doesn't work without "hand editing" for many common video cards.
Just pointing out that "Linux users" who say "everything works fine" after a multitude of hand configuration are not advancing our cause. Broken software deserves recognition, no matter who supplies it!
It is not
I will be blunt, you don't seem very knowledgeable when it comes to X. X.org's XServer works without xorg.conf on many configurations (all Intel cards and those ATI/NV cards that are supported by open-source drivers, AFAIK), running 'X -configure' (which has been removed some weeks ago in git, because it was broken) will likely produce worse xorg.conf than the default.
When it comes to resolution it is a job of RandR to set things up properly. If this isn't done by XServer then it is up to DE to set resolution. If you choose not to use any DE then you indeed are on your own (hint: "man xrandr"). But this is not a common use case for user who demands everything to Just Work.
ATI has released docs for their cards and Dave Arlie and Alex Deucher and the rest of their team are working hard to make good use of them.
And your rant about apt holding back X packages comes probably form botched sources.list and is not caused by X.org. They just release tarballs and distros pick them up.
Tried your suggestion
Using apparently not so recent X.org, I tried deleting /etc/X11/xorg.conf and xinit then fails:
(EE) Unable to locate/open default config file
(==) Using default built-in configuration (54 lines)
Fatal Server Error: Cannot run in framebuffer mode: Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices.
XIO: fatal IO error 104
This is with xserver-xorg 1.4.0.90, from 20070905, which is the latest in Debian sid.
From what you are saying it seems that the current "git" offerings at X.org are much better than this 20070905 distro. xserver. I have been moving in the direction of something like "Linux From Scratch" since the distros. apparently don't track the latest, fixed software very well.
My ignorance of X configuration and internals, as you so bluntly point out, seems to be shared by many assembling distros, since a very common result (on lots of quite ordinary video cards) upon installing Ubuntu, Fedora 8, etc. is an xserver that doesn't start or loses monitor sync (I'm talking about a default install, no tweaking). For now I'll continue tweaking xorg.conf to produce a working configuration until the much improved "git" versions make their way into the distros.
Well, tough luck for you
Git version means I checked out latest sources from X.org's Git (their VCS) and compiled them myself. It is usually (except near release) bleeding edge, have many bugs fixed and many more introduced and that is why distros don't package it. They can and do break.
Could you tell me more about cards which failed to work with XServer's built-in configuration? My Radeon 9200 works fine in this case and I have had similar experiences with Intel's cards so I'd love to know whose cards do not work. Have you filled any bugs? It is usually the best way to have them fixed.
Buy hardware terminal with
Buy hardware terminal with multisession capability (VT520, for example), connect it to host using several serial links et voila. ;-)
Hardware terminal
Who seriously uses hardware terminals these days?
Especially on a home desktop computer.
try knoppix its best distro
try knoppix
its best distro ive ever see.[not debain type install]
and try F2 boot with fb640*480? or one of the list you monitor supports